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PostPosted: Fri Dec 09, 2005 5:13 pm    Post subject: A very useful device! Reply with quote

This week I went out and bought a fingerprint reader by Microsoft. This handy piece of hardware is a finger's best friend when it comes to the PC! No more typing in or remembering usernames and passwords. I also now have a Windows accout password setup. Before it was just too annoying to type one in each time. Now all I do is place my finger over the small pad and bingo! I'm logged in. For those that visit many places on the web, I would highly recommend this neat device by Microsoft. Big Grin

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PostPosted: Fri Dec 09, 2005 5:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Evil incarnate, be sure. And one of the things that is actually making me long for the past - which is a big deal (for me) because my entire life I longed for the future and more technology.

From a technological stand-point, it is cool. And when you control that data yourself, it's not that bad. However, the more people use them, the more descensitized they get to the idea, and the lazier they get as well. (in a similar fashion we have been descensitized to being on camera with the proliferation of tiny, cheap digital cameras, cell phone cameras, and mostly - web cams. So it becomes all the more easy to put public surveilance cameras up.)

If this idea takes off in the home market, people will start demanding it's use at ATMs, because "we shouldn't have to like, remember numbers and stuff". Then it will move into credit cards, the rest of banking, and not long after that, state controled IDs.

None of those places have ANY buisness with that information being databased if you've committed no arrestable offenses. But worse is that it will become an instant form of tracking. As those DBs merge and cash simultaneously goes away you won't be able to live or do anything at all unless you succumb to those socialist forces.


Sorry Argon, I don't mean to drag this OT, but that stuff is scary as hell. A prime example of Orwellian mis-use of technology. Sad
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 09, 2005 5:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Personally, I think things would be a lot more secure if we used our thumb prints or eyes more for security identification. Credit card fraud is abundant everywhere these days! Also, some sneaky people love glancing over your shoulder in fancy ways to sneek a peak at your PIN number and credit card number... Shocked

Plus that's less plastic to carry around and get lost. Big Grin

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PostPosted: Fri Dec 09, 2005 6:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ArgonV wrote:
Personally, I think things would be a lot more secure if we used our thumb prints or eyes more for security identification.


Thus creating a market in thumbs and eyes.


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Credit card fraud is abundant everywhere these days!


What do you see as the cause for that?

What do you think happens when you order something over the phone? Or when you make a credit purchase at a place that doesn't have a Verisign unit (a gas station I worked at not so long ago was like that).

I grant you that by requiring biometrics it would be impossible to use that info, however, with biometrics, ir would be impossible to enjoy the benefits of those things (and it would hurt some buisnesses).

But my main point here is that we've been doing these things for YEARS. If, as you say, it's "everywhere these days", then something else is the cause, and is where the effort should be directed.

Heed Franklin's and (Patrick) Henry's warnings - always.


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Also, some sneaky people love glancing over your shoulder in fancy ways to sneek a peak at your PIN number and credit card number... Shocked


Is that the fault of the pin number, or the person using it? I for one tend to lean in and cover the ATM from prying eyes. Although it's not really necessary as around here, there is always a courtesy gap between the line and the unit.


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Plus that's less plastic to carry around and get lost. Big Grin


As above, who's to blame if plastic is "lost"? The existance of large amounts of such plastic, or the person carrying it?

However, with a QuickCheck-type card, you have an ATM card and Visa all in one. If you really need credit that badly, maybe you get one more. That's not exactly a lot. And people really shouldn't be using credit as much as they do anyway. Our entire system is designed to facillitate you getting into debt, and then keeping you there.


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Big brother is watching you... Shocked


And that's precisely the problem......
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 09, 2005 8:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sorry DDT but I think thats a little paranoid. Fingerprints and eye prints are alot safer than pin codes.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 09, 2005 8:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

TinfishNZ wrote:
Sorry DDT but I think thats a little paranoid. Fingerprints and eye prints are alot safer than pin codes.


No, technically they are not. They can be "stolen" and used just as easily. Conversely, PINs can be just as difficult to acquire (if not more so), IF handled correctly. People who don't do so are responsible for issues that arise because of it.

As for paranoid, call it what you will, but I have learned from the wisdom of great men, the likes of which we have not seen on this planet for centuries. It's likely to get into a cultural clash-type thing if we go down that road. Best to just deal with technical and responsibility aspects.
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