Energy and Evolution: The theory of existence

[ArgonV]

Ok, before you make any comments this is a work in progress and will probably take years to refine and complete. I just started tonight...

"It is proven that energy cannot be destroyed. It simply transfers. For anything to continue to exist it must evolve. The transference of energy is called energy evolution. Energy Evolution can work both ways, it does not have to evolve into a greater state from a lesser state. However it does eventually have to evolve into its original directly combined state for an instant. The directly combined state is where all energy exists as one because it is not fragmented. In this state all energy is linked directly. This instant evolved in a violent eruption in order to continue to exist, however the energy is still linked, just in a less and less direct way. (Think of a family tree) This is how the universe was created. It has been theorized the universe started from one central point and a massive outward explosion occurred. This is called the Big Bang Theory. Energy Evolution and the Big Bang theory go hand in hand. Universe expansion has been proven to be slowing down, however it still is expanding. It is slowing as energy has reached a state where in order to evolve any further it must become what it once was exactly in the beginning for that instant. Once this occurs the process happens all over again in the exact same way. This is because there are no variables in how energy reacts under the exact same conditions. If energy exists in a directly combined state it will react exactly the same once it evolves from this state.
This has happened countless times most likely, and will continue to do so in an endless loop. I call this loop the Circle of Energy Evolution. On this point I would like to disprove alternate dimension theories and alternate universe theories in which every choice made or not made creates its own alternate dimension or some such. This simply cannot happen. The exact same imprint of energy exists in all theorized dimensions as at one instance all energy is one and evolves the same each time as no outside force is acting upon the energy. No forces of any kind exist outside of this energy as force contains within it energy. Since the energy has evolved into this directly combined state, there can be no outside energy, thus no forces acting upon it. Therefore there are no true alternate dimensions at all when it comes to energy! Since you cannot have alternate forms of energy evolution which create different circumstances, you cannot have alternate dimensions. With this, I will answer the question on why something exists where it does when it does. It exists where is does at this exact moment in space and time because it has to exist there. If it did not exist there, there would be no existence of it in the first place. There would be nothing. Since it is there, we know there is no nothing. You can not have nothing and something, only one or the other. This is because energy can not be destroyed. Since it plainly exists, there is no nothing."
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[bertie]

Aaaaah yes ...Cur Gallina per viam transire maluit ? Ut in altera parte viae ambularet of course i prefer a good existentialist shaggy dog story myself

[scan]

That's way too deep for me, I got my mind blown at college using pure maths and complex integration to prove that 1 + 1 = 1. Three hours and several sheet of A4 later it was done. But to what end if maths is just logic then 1+1=1 cannot be logical right.

Ohh I need a lie down.

[PatsyTwo]

I think, therefore, I am . . .

. . . I think?

Marty

[Snick]

Just for fun I will assault 1 part only - "Alternate dimension theories" (a.k.a. "Parallel Universe theories")

1) The above supposes and accepts as truth that there is only one universe "Scientifically proven". At one time it was "scientifically proven" that the stars revolved around the earth. (The list goes on, but you get the idea). "Laws" of nature are not true laws, but an attempt to define how things work. As human knowlege changes, so do these laws.

2) For the moment we will stipulate that you wrote in the above thesis is correct. Even so, in this, your own thesis, you have left room for alternate histories: "These are human perceptions and do not exist with energy." Because they are human perceptions and, perceptions become reality, then there is room for alternate time frames to exist.

3) As written this is theory (and theory only) start offering:

A - Support by many strands of evidence rather than a single foundation, ensuring that it probably is a good approximation if not totally correct.

B - It needs to be able to survive many critical tests that could prove it false.

C - Make predictions that might someday be used to disprove (or prove) the theory.

D - Is the best known explanation, in the sense of Occam's Razor, of the infinite variety of alternative explanations for the same data.

E - K.I.S.S.


Isaac Asimov: "We must drive a sword through any hypothesis that is not strictly necessary".

(Of course, it always depends on whether is is written for a philosophy class, or a science class too... )
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[ArgonV]

Ah Snick but there is where you are wrong I believe. Let me explain:

Energy is a more inner working of why and how things work like they do. Much like atoms are the building blocks of things as we know them, energy is the building block of everything, and all energy is connected, tho not directly at this point. I have always thought that everything is connected in some way at a very deep level, more deep than atoms, electrons, protons and even quarks. Some inner working we have yet to discover but know it exists because our instinct tell us so. (Explanation of a higher power such as a God perhaps? Only the power as it turns out is really more inner. But it is everywhere...) These things atoms, electrons, protons and what not however are all physical things that can be destroyed or created. Energy however after it already exists cannot be destroyed. Since energy under the exact same conditions will react the same each time you can not have alternate histories, or alternate anything! Human thought is a state of energy I believe, it makes perfect sense as thought is not physical. What produces thought is physical but thought is not bound by the physical world only the interpretation of thought is!! Every bit of energy is at its own state of evolution which causes everything to react the way it does. So at any one point on the Circle of Energy Evolution it exists there because it has to. If it didn't exist there would be no existance of anything at all. And we know there is existance...

By universe I mean it to mean everything, everything and anything. If there are other universes, then just one would not be everything would it? Since all energy every where originated as one state of it, there can be nothing else any where can there? If energy existed in different states then the energy has not reached its peak in evolution.
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[Mighty]

I hope you don't mind if I challenge some of your basic premises.

You have an awful lot of assumptions and many missing definitions. And some questionable word choice. The term "evolution" in this context is a hell of a metaphoric stretch. What's "perfect" about the "energy" at the beginning of time? How can you talk about "evolution" without any "time?" The very term "evolution" implies a series of changes, which in turn necessitates a sequencing that is known as "time."

There are some facets of modern cosmology that you're apparently not aware of.

One of the big ones is that the current best theories are leaning toward a prediction that we will not fall back into a Big Crunch. Instead, it appears that all matter-energy will continue to accelerate away from each other until even quarks will be torn asunder. http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/acceleron_darkenergy_040727.html

Also, string theory, the current leading contender, postulates not four dimensions but ten http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/string_systems_030226.html

Also, those dimensions are quite pointedly not simply human perceptions. They are objectively verifiable, and they dictate some of the parameters for how the universe develops, whether humans are around to witness it or not.

[wat32]

A presenter sitting with a guest in the usual late-night line-up set.
Presenter Good evening.
CAPTION: 'THRUST - A QUITE CONTROVERSIAL LOOK AT THE WORLD AROUND US'
Presenter I have with me tonight Anne Elk. Mrs Anne Elk.
Miss Elk Miss.
SUPERIMPOSED CAPTION: 'ANNE ELK'
Presenter You have a new theory about the brontosaurus.
Miss Elk Can I just say here Chris for one moment that I have a new theory about the brontosaurus.
Presenter Exactly. (he gestures but she does not say anything) What is it?
Miss Elk Where? (looks around)
Presenter No, no your new theory?
Miss Elk Oh, what is my theory?
Presenter Yes.
Miss Elk Oh what is my theory that it is. Yes, well you may well ask me what is my theory.
Presenter I am asking.
Miss Elk Good for you. My word yes. Well Chris, what is it that it is - this theory of mine. Well, this is what it is - my theory that I have, that is to say, which is mine, is mine.
Presenter (beginning to show signs of exasperation) Yes, I know it's yours, what is it?
Miss Elk Where? Oh, what is my theory? This is it. (clears throat at some length) My theory that belongs to me is as follows. (clears throat at great length) This is how it goes. The next thing I'm going to say is my theory. Ready?
Presenter Yes!
Miss Elk My Theory by A. Elk. Brackets Miss, brackets. This theory goes as follows and begins now. All brontosauruses are thin at one end, much much thicker in the middle, and then thin again at the far end. That is my theory, it is mine, and belongs to me and I own it, and what it is too.
Presenter That's it, is it?
Miss Elk Spot on, Chris.
Presenter Well, er, this theory of yours seems to have hit the nail on the head.
Miss Elk And it's mine.
Presenter Yes, thank you for coming along to the studio. Thank you.
Miss Elk My pleasure, Chris...
Presenter Next week Britain's newest wasp farm...
Miss Elk It's been a lot of fun.
Presenter Yes, thank you very much.
Miss Elk Saying what my theory is.
Presenter Yes, thank you.
Miss Elk And whose it is.
Presenter Yes, thank you - that's all - thank you. ...opens next week.
Miss Elk I have another theory.
Presenter Yes.
Miss Elk Called my second theory, or my theory number two.
Presenter Thank you. Britain's newest wasp farm...
Miss Elk This second theory which was the one that I had said...
Presenter (the phone rings; he answers) Yes, no I'm trying...
Miss Elk Which I could expound without doubt. This second theory which, with the one which I have said, forms the brace of theories which I own and which belongs to me, goes like this...
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[ArgonV]

By evolution I simply mean change. That's all it really is. The perfect state of energy would be when all energy is one collective essense. (I can't use mass as energy has no mass, mass is physical)

I will read these materials. Thanks!
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[ArgonV]

I've read thru some of these things already and I noticed each pointed to some deep rooted inner working that can't be explained. Energy perhaps?
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[7mks]

May the Force be with you.


I'm not making or poking fun.

[Mighty]

Matter and energy are the same thing. Matter is basically packets of energy or collections of energy or concentrations of energy. Saying one is "more perfect" than the other is an artificial distinction. That's like saying steam is more perfect than water. Or loose dirt is better than a dirt clod. Without a context, "more perfect" is meaningless.

One thing you might keep in mind here is that you're basically arguing a "God of the Gaps" here. "We don't know everything, therefore there must be something perfect." Whether you want to call that Energy or God, it's still a non-sequiter. We don't know everything, full stop. Just because we don't know everything doesn't mean that there's something "perfect" (again, without context this is a nonesense word) out there.

[bertie]

there has to be a chicken and an egg in there somewhere !

[Major_Hippie]

OK, all this is starting to hurt my brain stem...

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[V67th_HBomb]

And how will this help you in PP4? You gonna replace the Openplane engine? :p